Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation
1.6K games from Lichess · Updated January 2026
White expected score · All ratings · All speeds
59.2%
the worst score you would still get, 90% confident. At best 61.2%.
Measured over 1.6K games at this level and clock.
A strong choice for White at this level and clock.
Outcomes for White
Draw 3.9 · Score = win + ½ of the draws · 1.6K games
- Rank among the families White can choose here
- not ranked — this is a variation, not a family
- Games in this context
- 1.6K
- Best context
- not measured yet
- Average game length
- 29 moves
- Games that end decisively
- 96.1%
- Draws
- 3.9%
Best and worst are the strongest and weakest squares with at least 500 games behind them. The table further down shows every square, including thinner ones.
Extra Analysis
Deep-dive datasets for this opening
Where it holds · White score by rating × clock
Green is clearly ahead for White, grey is around even, red is behind. Tap a cell to measure there, and again to clear. It gets better as the rating rises: 30.0% at 0-999, 69.9% at 2500+.
| Rating | UB | Bulle | Blitz | Rapid | Class |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0-999 | — | — | — | — | |
| 1000-1199 | — | — | — | ||
| 1200-1399 | — | — | — | ||
| 1400-1599 | — | — | |||
| 1600-1799 | |||||
| 1800-1999 | — | — | |||
| 2000-2199 | — | ||||
| 2200-2499 | — | — | |||
| 2500+ | — | — |
Expected score matrix by rating bracket and time control
- 0-999 rating, Bullet: 30.0% expected score (1 games)
- 1000-1199 rating, Bullet: 70.0% expected score (1 games)
- 1000-1199 rating, Classical: 70.0% expected score (1 games)
- 1200-1399 rating, Bullet: 78.6% expected score (2 games)
- 1200-1399 rating, Blitz: 68.2% expected score (4 games)
- 1400-1599 rating, Bullet: 67.7% expected score (7 games)
- 1400-1599 rating, Blitz: 73.1% expected score (5 games)
- 1400-1599 rating, Rapid: 50.0% expected score (2 games)
- 1600-1799 rating, UltraBullet: 70.0% expected score (1 games)
- 1600-1799 rating, Bullet: 51.7% expected score (28 games)
- 1600-1799 rating, Blitz: 55.4% expected score (63 games)
- 1600-1799 rating, Rapid: 42.4% expected score (18 games)
- 1600-1799 rating, Classical: 30.0% expected score (1 games)
- 1800-1999 rating, Bullet: 62.3% expected score (92 games)
- 1800-1999 rating, Blitz: 62.5% expected score (268 games)
- 1800-1999 rating, Rapid: 44.4% expected score (25 games)
- 2000-2199 rating, Bullet: 61.2% expected score (115 games)
- 2000-2199 rating, Blitz: 57.9% expected score (324 games)
- 2000-2199 rating, Rapid: 45.4% expected score (42 games)
- 2000-2199 rating, Classical: 83.4% expected score (3 games)
- 2200-2499 rating, Bullet: 58.3% expected score (144 games)
- 2200-2499 rating, Blitz: 58.9% expected score (320 games)
- 2200-2499 rating, Rapid: 37.8% expected score (23 games)
- 2500+ rating, Bullet: 65.4% expected score (122 games)
- 2500+ rating, Blitz: 65.7% expected score (24 games)
- 2500+ rating, Rapid: 78.6% expected score (2 games)
Related Openings
Methodology
Across every rating and clock, the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation scores 59.2% for White — we are 90% confident the real figure is between 57.2% and 61.2% — from 1.6K Lichess games. Win rate, draw rate and loss rate come from games played December 2023 to November 2025.
How the figures are made
- Whose games these are
- 1.6K+ rated games played on Lichess (2023-12 to 2025-11). The games are Lichess’s and free for anyone to use. What is ours is the reading of them. Last rebuilt January 2026.
- Which games we count
- Rated games only — nothing casual.
- Both players within 200 rating points of each other. A mismatch tells you about the gap, not about the opening.
- At least 2 moves played.
- A game is filed under White’s rating.
- Why every number comes with a range
- A number off a few hundred games is a guess. The same number off millions is a fact. The range is what tells them apart, and it is what the lists rank on — so an opening cannot reach the top on a lucky run of forty games. The more games behind a figure, the narrower its range.
- How much we need before we say anything
- An opening page needs 100 games. A gambit needs 50 games at a rating before we will say whether it pays there. The chaos and trap lists need 500 games overall and 250 games at one rating or clock.
Frequently Asked Questions
What is the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation win rate?
Playing the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation, White wins 57.2%, draws 3.9% and loses 38.8%. Counting a draw as half a point, that is an Expected Score of 59.2%. It rests on 1.6K rated games from Lichess.
At what rating does the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation perform best?
The Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation performs best for White at 2500+, with an Expected Score of 66.1% (148 games) and the highest Floor of any rating with enough games to read.
Is the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation better in blitz or rapid?
For White, the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation scores higher in Blitz: an Expected Score of 59.7% in Blitz (1.0K games) against 43.9% in Rapid (112 games).
How sharp is the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation?
The Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation has a sharpness score of 96.1 (very decisive), meaning 96.1% of games end decisively. Average game length is 29 moves.
What is the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation win rate at 1600-1799?
At 1600-1799, White wins 51.1%, draws 2.2% and loses 46.7%. Counting a draw as half a point, that is an Expected Score of 52.2%. It rests on 111 Lichess games, which average 26 moves.
What is the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation win rate at 1800-1999?
At 1800-1999, White wins 59.6%, draws 3.2% and loses 37.1%. Counting a draw as half a point, that is an Expected Score of 61.3%. It rests on 385 Lichess games, which average 28 moves.
What is the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation win rate at 2000-2199?
At 2000-2199, White wins 55.9%, draws 3.8% and loses 40.3%. Counting a draw as half a point, that is an Expected Score of 57.8%. It rests on 484 Lichess games, which average 29 moves.
What is the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation win rate at 2200-2499?
At 2200-2499, White wins 55.2%, draws 5.0% and loses 39.8%. Counting a draw as half a point, that is an Expected Score of 57.7%. It rests on 487 Lichess games, which average 30 moves.
What is the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation win rate at 2500+?
At 2500+, White wins 63.2%, draws 5.7% and loses 31.1%. Counting a draw as half a point, that is an Expected Score of 66.1%. It rests on 148 Lichess games, which average 33 moves.
What is the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation win rate in Bullet?
In Bullet, White wins 59.9%, draws 3.0% and loses 37.1%. Counting a draw as half a point, that is an Expected Score of 61.4%. It rests on 512 Lichess games.
What is the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation win rate in Blitz?
In Blitz, White wins 57.4%, draws 4.5% and loses 38.1%. Counting a draw as half a point, that is an Expected Score of 59.7%. It rests on 1.0K Lichess games.
What is the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation win rate in Rapid?
In Rapid, White wins 41.9%, draws 4.0% and loses 54.2%. Counting a draw as half a point, that is an Expected Score of 43.9%. It rests on 112 Lichess games.
Is the Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation a good opening?
The Vienna Gambit, with Max Lange Defense: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit, Thorold Variation is good for White. Across all ratings, White wins 57.2% of its games and loses 38.8%. It performs best at 2500+. Your results depend on your rating, time control, and how well you know the typical plans.